tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7553278593406733377.post9002500657383375726..comments2024-03-07T11:47:12.092-05:00Comments on Photo Business News & Forum: Shepard Fairey's Talk on the Obama ImageJohn Harringtonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16941161605443479300noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7553278593406733377.post-89640315017633138512009-05-08T22:02:00.001-04:002009-05-08T22:02:00.001-04:00wedding dresses
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The effect of the use upon the potential market for or value of the copyrighted work. <BR/><BR/>Shepard Fairey loses on the first point, it was for profit. However he also donated $400,000 to the Obama Campaign, and he didn't pocket the rest, he invested it. This is not legally correct, but he does get a moral victory here. <BR/><BR/>The second point is too vague to make any conclusions. <BR/><BR/>The third point Fairey wins in a landslide. Here is the original photograph:<BR/><BR/>http://www.truthdig.com/images/eartothegrounduploads/clooney_350.jpg<BR/><BR/>GEORGE CLOONEY IS IN IT. Clearly Fairey took one small portion of it, altered the structure, created his own color fields, etc. This is a strong act of personal creativity. Besides, How else is he supposed to create a veristic representation of the president? Have the man pose for him as a live model? <BR/><BR/>Fairey also dominates the fourth point. Mannie Garcia and the AP are morons. Rather than spending tons trying to get money from Fairey, they could be marketing the stuffing out of their photo, "The Inspiration for HOPE" or something along those lines and selling millions. Fairey brought tons of attention back to the original source of inspiration, which otherwise, with george clooney included, would have died anonymous. <BR/><BR/>On the three distinct points of Fair Use, Fairey wins two out of three. I'd bet good money that he wins this case.Alexnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7553278593406733377.post-65891655598917925872009-02-11T14:22:00.000-05:002009-02-11T14:22:00.000-05:00Fairey's interview on the Colbert report has him s...Fairey's interview on the Colbert report has him saying that he did the image on his own. This is counter to the C Rose interview.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7553278593406733377.post-10498112053089517512009-02-09T02:16:00.000-05:002009-02-09T02:16:00.000-05:00Ah yes. This is the most "iconic" image I have eve...Ah yes. This is the most "iconic" image I have ever seen of Obama. It has been around since 2006 and I've seen it plastered on every street corner since. /sarcasm/<BR/><BR/>Who are you defending here? Garcia, who's so out of touch that he doesn't even know who owns the copyright to a two-year old photo? <BR/><BR/>"The ownership of the copyright is in dispute..."<BR/><BR/>Old-guard photographers would skewer a newbie if he admitted to this, claiming he was destroying the industry and all that they had worked so hard to procure for this new ungrateful generation.<BR/>Or, are you backing the A.P.? An organization which has been bending photographers over a barrel for years with their policies.<BR/><BR/>http://tinyurl.com/a9m76u (1996)<BR/><BR/>Perhaps you are defending the general concept of copyright as we currently understand it. Who owns that image again? Oh. That's right. Garcia's still "in discussions with the AP over this issue."<BR/>This obviously isn't about professionalism, ethics or respect. It's about money and greed. For crying out loud, you exhibit your logic with an anecdote about a buddy who made a killing off a picture of a dead man.<BR/><BR/>"A friends photo of JFK Jr's and his wife Caroline value - $175 to the Washington Post until the poor guy crashed his plane into the sea."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7553278593406733377.post-64893763585048833802009-02-07T16:20:00.000-05:002009-02-07T16:20:00.000-05:00I'd love it if Richard Prince appropriated Fairey'...I'd love it if Richard Prince appropriated Fairey's work then sold it for millions to the rich.<BR/><BR/>I have to think about what this image and its justified copyright infringement is going to do to photography and the respect of the art in the long run.<BR/><BR/>I wonder how this is going to tie into the orphan works.Giulio Scioriohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18355807472480452069noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7553278593406733377.post-35148684420943037122009-02-07T13:33:00.000-05:002009-02-07T13:33:00.000-05:00On a separate note, Fairey was arrested today in B...On a separate note, Fairey was arrested today in Boston for grafitti.:<BR/><BR/>http://www.bostonherald.com/news/regional/view.bg?articleid=1150628 or http://tinyurl.com/bgzg3kAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7553278593406733377.post-39143849830318227472009-02-07T08:39:00.001-05:002009-02-07T08:39:00.001-05:00Sue them all.I hope that Fairey winds up losing in...Sue them all.<BR/><BR/>I hope that Fairey winds up losing in court so badly that he has to sell his secondhand clothes to pay the winner of the judgement.<BR/><BR/>This is not an issue about "the world vs. the poor young hip street artist" the issue is about infringement plain and simple; please let's not blur the issue.<BR/><BR/>The Obama staffer that told this guy that they "owned" the rights to the image should also be enjoined in the suit.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7553278593406733377.post-33095853232045878452009-02-07T08:39:00.000-05:002009-02-07T08:39:00.000-05:00Sue them all.I hope that Fairey winds up losing in...Sue them all.<BR/><BR/>I hope that Fairey winds up losing in court so badly that he has to sell his secondhand clothes to pay the winner of the judgement.<BR/><BR/>This is not an issue about "the world vs. the poor young hip street artist" the issue is about infringement plain and simple; please let's not blur the issue.<BR/><BR/>The Obama staffer that told this guy that they "owned" the rights to the image should also be enjoined in the suit.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7553278593406733377.post-36588403659522120742009-02-07T02:03:00.000-05:002009-02-07T02:03:00.000-05:00"The image had no inherent worth until Fairey modi..."The image had no inherent worth until Fairey modified it. You're prescribing value for something that never existed".<BR/><BR/>A car, jeans or even food has no value until someone wants to buy it - or should I say needs to buy it - is required to buy it.<BR/><BR/>The value is latent - dormant as is anything until it's consumed and there-in lays the value. <BR/>The 'Fame' of a Leibovitz celebrity shot might be marginal until it's published and put into context.<BR/><BR/>A friends photo of JFK Jr's and his wife Caroline value - $175 to the Washington Post until the poor guy crashed his plane into the sea. <BR/><BR/> A latent value...<BR/><BR/>Grow up and wait until you're exploited. <BR/>This must be a guy correctly pinned by Craig M.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7553278593406733377.post-87786906984883369022009-02-06T17:55:00.000-05:002009-02-06T17:55:00.000-05:00I know you can't paint with a broad brush but I se...I know you can't paint with a broad brush but I see this in part as a generational problem. Fairey is a young guy brought up in the age of 'Whats wrong with downloading images, music etc. off the internet for free'? Older people in general have a better sense of what belongs to them and what belongs to someone else.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7553278593406733377.post-78826806007120794892009-02-06T15:27:00.000-05:002009-02-06T15:27:00.000-05:00What a Fairey Tale for this "artist" huh?Freakin t...What a Fairey Tale for this "artist" huh?<BR/><BR/>Freakin thief plain and simple!!!!<BR/><BR/><BR/>AlexAlexMenendezhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06948260405919766511noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7553278593406733377.post-35595200845538219872009-02-06T12:13:00.000-05:002009-02-06T12:13:00.000-05:00Garcia's 2006 image is pedestrian at best. A monke...Garcia's 2006 image is pedestrian at best. A monkey could have produced it with similar access. It didn't reach the "iconic" status he himself bestows upon it until Fairey got his hands on it.<BR/>I think Fairey should be excoriated for using the image without permission and continuing to downplay Garcia's involvement. However, you have to wonder if Garcia wishes this didn't happen. To make this much of a stink about a weak image that has very little historical context is embarrassing.<BR/>Let's not forget what you're really implying here. Garcia needs to get paid/recognized.<BR/>Let's examine that more closely. The man -- and the AP as an extension of his presence -- took a photo of a public persona in a public setting -- essentially capitalizing on Obama's fame. This isn't Rosenthal at Iwo Jima, Capa at Cerro Muriano or Adams in Vietnam. We're talking about behavior that closely follows that of the paparazzi. The image had no inherent worth until Fairey modified it. You're prescribing value for something that never existed.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7553278593406733377.post-57556405492714758452009-02-06T09:49:00.000-05:002009-02-06T09:49:00.000-05:00It's just like the hypocritical nature of the enti...It's just like the hypocritical nature of the entire Obama campaign, Fairey is just representative of their values.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com