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It is only fair to mention Brian Sherwin's critique of the SuperTouch critique of Vallen. (Lot of critiques going on over Shepard Fairey)<BR/><BR/>http://www.myartspace.com/blog/2009/02/jamie-oshea-obeys-shepard-fairey-by.html<BR/><BR/>I have to agree with Sherwin. Many of Fairey's references are not fair use. To be fair use the images by Fairey have to comment on or parody the work that is being referenced and the majority of the public must be able to make that connection when viewing the art. Viewers should be able to know what is being commented on or parodied if fair use is done in the way it should be. Anything else is infringement.<BR/><BR/>Fairey has referenced works by artists and photographers that are not widely known so it is not fair use. People did not make the connection that Fairey was commenting on Mannie Garcia's photograph of Obama with Hope just like they did not know he was commenting on a poster by Rene Mederos when selling shirts with a slightly altered version of the Mederos poster. (he settled out of court on that one)<BR/><BR/>If Shep used Mickey Mouse or the Pepsi label people would make the connection and it would be fair use. (but he would not use a Pepsi label anyways since Pepsi is one of his clients). That is how fair use and parts of fair use like transformative works work. Fairey just finds a cool image and uses it look at how he used the SS skull on a shirt and did not even realize that it was the SS skull until he tried to sue Walmart for copyright infringement because they infringed on his copyright of the skull. <BR/><BR/>SuperTouch and the ObeyGiant site claim that Fairey is open about where he has referenced from because some of that info is in the Supply and Demand book. That is a poor defense to use for fair use because people should not have to pay $59.95 for a book about Fairey's art just to be able to find out the connection in his work. That is not how fair use works and I'm glad people are starting to point it out! <BR/><BR/>The only reason Jamie O Shea wrote the SuperTouch critique of Mark Vallen's Fairey critique is because two blog posts on the Boston Globe site just brought Mark Vallen's critique back into the spot light. Like Sherwin says it looks like they are just trying to do damage control before Fairey's big solo exhibit.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7553278593406733377.post-71755529968905439392009-01-30T12:53:00.000-05:002009-01-30T12:53:00.000-05:00Like Obama Shepard is a tool of the same. Don't fo...Like Obama Shepard is a tool of the same. Don't forget if you change something its still the same only changed. Like new and improved detergent.<BR/><BR/>http://www.art-for-a-change.com/Obey/index.htmGiulio Scioriohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18355807472480452069noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7553278593406733377.post-3196133495642535942009-01-26T11:57:00.000-05:002009-01-26T11:57:00.000-05:00Hmm, I mucked up the link there somehow. This is t...Hmm, I mucked up the link there somehow. This is the correct one:<BR/><A HREF="http://blogs.phillynews.com/inquirer/sceneonroad/2009/01/new_obamashepard_fairey_source_1.html" REL="nofollow">NEW - Another (Better?) Obama Poster Source Photo</A>Charles Kinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09657251150380437112noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7553278593406733377.post-87650020271604968902009-01-26T03:15:00.000-05:002009-01-26T03:15:00.000-05:00This posting should be updated with the finding th...This posting should be updated with the finding that the original photo used for the image may in fact be one from AP. See: <A HREF="http://blogs.phillynews.com/inquirer/sceneonroad/2009/01new_obamashepard_fairey_source_1.html" REL="nofollow">NEW - Another (Better?) Obama Poster Source Photo</A>.<BR/><BR/>Given the evident confusion concerning the actual source of the original, any attempt to bring a lawsuit would be foolishCharles Kinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09657251150380437112noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7553278593406733377.post-76610588793912773192009-01-22T15:33:00.000-05:002009-01-22T15:33:00.000-05:00THIS JUST IN: Source of JOEBAMA Campaign Image Tra...THIS JUST IN: <A HREF="http://www.joereifer.com/words/?p=679" REL="nofollow">Source of JOEBAMA Campaign Image Traced To Thomas Hawk Photo</A>.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7553278593406733377.post-45899058909879255722009-01-21T18:13:00.000-05:002009-01-21T18:13:00.000-05:00Sorry; in the above post I referenced a comment ab...Sorry; in the above post I referenced a comment about motor drives that came from a different blog. However, I think that the relevance still stands as at such political events, the press are blasting off images by the hundreds, and often, there will be many similars. <BR/><BR/>(Please excuse the confusion.)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7553278593406733377.post-75958955922514907512009-01-21T12:16:00.000-05:002009-01-21T12:16:00.000-05:00I posted the same question on another site, but se...I posted the same question on another site, but seems appropriate to ask here as well...<BR/><BR/>Do you think that this initial public confusion, even among industry professionals, and the similarity between the photos, combined with what you reference above to motor drives and event shooting, may serve to actually undermine or dilute any potential claim?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7553278593406733377.post-6675981303231073402009-01-20T09:13:00.000-05:002009-01-20T09:13:00.000-05:00Now it gets interesting, how many copyrighted phot...Now it gets interesting, how many copyrighted photos do you think are in the gallery of Paste's Obamicon.Me? http://obamiconme.pastemagazine.com/lilpearllyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04304310980898447256noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7553278593406733377.post-61599520299248868122009-01-19T19:38:00.000-05:002009-01-19T19:38:00.000-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.GothamTomatohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18389538485460036801noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7553278593406733377.post-64982955388846016382009-01-19T18:18:00.000-05:002009-01-19T18:18:00.000-05:00Clearly the illustrator has no leg to stand on. T...Clearly the illustrator has no leg to stand on. There is a long list of photographers who were awarded monies for uses just like this. See Art Rodgers vs. Jeff Koons. Koons made two sculptures based upon California photographer Art Rodgers image of a couple holding a lot of identical puppies. Each sculpture sold for $250K. Rodgers was awarded half and sculptures are 3D, more different than 2D.<BR/><BR/>Andy Warhol was discovered to have used an anonymous photo of a flower for a series of screen prints. When the amateur photographer came forward, Warhol settled out of court. (allegedly for a set of the prints worth 6 figures.) <BR/><BR/>Many other cases are out there.<BR/><BR/>As far as Obama's campaign and related merch. They can be liable. The Elvis Presley estate used photographer Robert Smiths photo for years from a 1957 show. Final settlement in the millions.<BR/><BR/>Many illustrators use photos as a base for their images and do not pay. They should. Just because it is common practice does not make it right.<BR/><BR/>Reuter's should sue to set the precedent. They have the weight to make it stick. (at least in some circles)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7553278593406733377.post-43684229428336316192009-01-18T15:38:00.000-05:002009-01-18T15:38:00.000-05:00I don't see any difference between Fairey using a ...I don't see any difference between Fairey using a photo as the basis for his illustration from a painter using a photo as the basis for his or her painting. They are two different works. Fairey's is derivative perhaps, of course, but he was using the Reuters photo as a REFERENCE, as thousands of illustrators and artists do with photo reference material daily.<BR/><BR/>I'm sure if he could have had Obama sit for him, he would have. But obviously, that was not an option.Pj Perezhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16212543299436821697noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7553278593406733377.post-76052816676816220332009-01-17T01:06:00.000-05:002009-01-17T01:06:00.000-05:00Hardly fair-use. It's not a fine line at all - inf...Hardly fair-use. It's not a fine line at all - infringement is infringement. I don't see the Elvis estate grinning and bearing it. He should have sought permission and if he knew anything about this business (i.e. join a professional group) he would have and not risked having his pants sued off.<BR/>Life's a bitch - Go Obama!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7553278593406733377.post-64434722387234755212009-01-16T23:01:00.000-05:002009-01-16T23:01:00.000-05:00So let me get this right. Obama's campaign can sel...So let me get this right. <BR/>Obama's campaign can sell t-shirts, posters, stickers, magnets, bumper stickers, hats, books, coffee cups with this image- and take in the money, but the shooter (Reuters) can't get what they are owed?<BR/><BR/>Just asking.........AlexMenendezhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06948260405919766511noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7553278593406733377.post-25150986522790588162009-01-16T22:39:00.000-05:002009-01-16T22:39:00.000-05:00And if your use of photoshop filters is really goo...And if your use of photoshop filters is really good, you and your unlicensed copy work can get put in the Smithsonian....<BR/> <BR/>http://news.yahoo.com/nphotos/Obama-poster-lands-street-artist-Smithsonian/ss/events/lf/011709shepardfaireyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7553278593406733377.post-60930355595823257182009-01-16T11:44:00.000-05:002009-01-16T11:44:00.000-05:00I agree that Reuters has a tough decision. The as...I agree that Reuters has a tough decision. The association of this image with the Obama campaign makes it difficult to make a big stink. <BR/><BR/>Whether Fairey is judgment proof isn't really that important if Reuters want to pursue an action. To me the interesting issue is how companies and organization (including the Obama campaign) have taken the image and placed it on their OWN merchandise. Fairey indicated in at east one interview (Colbert Report) that he was not licensing the images, but was essentially allowing the campaign and others to use it as they saw fit (with some exceptions)without charge. These organizations are not judgment proof.<BR/><BR/>Of course the point is moot if the degree of change is deemed transformative - but we can leave that for another time.Kenneth L. Kunklehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14969336985251891718noreply@blogger.com